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Posts: 375 (06/29/09 04:09:52) |
Thanks for your reply, Lozza. That is interesting. I remember a bit from it where the Pastor places a child on his knee and does
an exorcism on her, and I just thought. "Dodgy.."
The reason that I have the book is because a woman gave it to me under instructions from God to do so. EEEK! |
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Posts: 80 (06/29/09 06:45:31) |
"So is this the guy responsible for that BS? I never heard of Pigs in the Parlor but definitely know all about demons of "fill in blank."
In all fairness.....I cannot honestly say that Paulk was the "creator" of that myth because it's probably been around longer than when his book was published. What Paulk did was move the issue of "demon possession" from outside the church INSIDE the church. Basically, he taught that "born again Christians" can be demon possessed and consequently.....the church should be involved with "casting them out" The ultimate result of that teaching was a whole lot of paranoid folks looking at each other's "shortcomings" and "faults" and motivations with suspiscion. In a church full of human beings....it's not hard to find shortcomings in folks..but then to take those shortcomings and turn them into "demon possession" crosses a line and I specifically remember many people getting pretty messed up (even worse than they already were) as a result of that bogus nonsense.  Henny
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Posts: 381 (06/29/09 11:51:05) |
Well said Benny!
I guess old Roddy didn't touch your heart. (shucks...but then I haven't been delivered of a spirit of Roddyism) Benny will you go to the thread about a paragraph of literature, written in a novel by a man I like very much, (and who is indirectly responsible for me being here) because I always value your contributions. Very wise with a bit of a sting! If you have time to do so, I'd appreciate it. But you don't have to....hey...we all know about PRESSURE...truly..no pressure in this request! |
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Posts: 81 (06/29/09 14:00:00) |
Thanks for your reply, Lozza. That is interesting. I remember a bit from it where the Pastor places a child on his knee and does an exorcism on her, and I just
thought. "Dodgy.."
The reason that I have the book is because a woman gave it to me under instructions from God to do so. EEEK! Charlie....I'll be replying to your post after this one later on.... This is one of the weakest things about pentecostalism....and for whatever reason..they see it as their STRONGEST. ...Just the fact that each and everyone of them has this personal "conduit" with god and that he just "talks" to them about giving someone a book by some unknown evangelical self published writer....I don't know...I"m sorry but that just reeks of fraud and pure untruth. That is nothing more than a means to passively yet AGGRESSIVELY get you under their control...after all...how are you gonna argue with GOD?????? See...if you let them, these folks will grab you by what hurts.....and NEVER EVER let go.....trust me on this... Henny
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Posts: 383 (06/29/09 14:38:40) |
Thanks Henny - the reason that I like Roddy Frame so much is that I sense ( and this is purely a sense) that he has retained a
faith, despite early experiences with Pente. When he sings, "Thank you for the moon, thank you for the stars...thank you for turning them on.." it is
just such a simple expression of faith. Clean. Far away from charismania.
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Posts: 168 (06/29/09 19:06:44) |
Henny Binn wrote:I feel your pain, Henry. The best way I can describe leaving Pentecostalism is that emotionally, you don't leave it - you rip it off you like a malignant tumor. It leaves a big hole where your heart used to be, and it also leaves tendrils that begin to grow, all on their own. Human beings are creatures of habit, and you can't suddenly take a complete 180 degree turn in your life. It takes time for all of the parts to catch up. Rob |
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Posts: 388 (06/30/09 05:26:17) |
Henny, you come over as a REALLY fun personality. Somebody who can relate to all manner of people with "Wit and Wine and Wisdom" (T.S.Eliot) - and I
do appreciate that starting again is tough, maybe a bit humiliating, but I think that your personality is attractive and that's going to tick every box for
people who meet you. They're going to want to meet you again. I look forward to your posts, because they hold a real kick, a real depth and are both giving
and memorable.
Sure of course, I could do all the stuff like tell you to go and Volunteer and build up a social network like that, but you know that stuff anyway, so it is rather patronizing to do so. I think what you've put your finger on, is the thing that is there for alot of us... How on earth could people ever understand where I've been? Should I even mention it? My feeling is "they can't" and "don't." This is isolating, but also a safety net. People don't really understand until they've been there. |
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Posts: 109 (06/30/09 06:51:46) |
People who have never been a part of a Pentecostal church cannot understand how a church, a place which supposed to be the embodiment of love, can be abusive.
At times when I speak about my past I can see the look of disbelief in people's faces because what I mention is not supposed to happen in God's house.
I have found many people unfamiliar with pentecostalism think they are just a nice group of people with eccentric beliefs and practices.
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Posts: 390 (06/30/09 08:13:54) |
Yes. And also, the big risk is that they will secretly blame you for the abuse.
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Posts: 277 (06/30/09 10:10:08) |
charliedog wrote:My other half sometimes mistakes my feelings for being anti-Christian. She's had some abuses, but as far as I know, nothing like what goes on in the Assemblies- so she still sometimes doesn't seem to understand the knee-jerk reaction I have to such subjects as "Last Days", "Fullfilled prophesy", and so on, much less the hostility I have to most churches (because nearly all of them within an hour's drive have been steeplejacked). She occasionally gets mad because she thinks I'm attacking her religion... and sometimes doesn't seem to understand that ALL of the personal issues I have either stem from being an Assemblies of God member, or from the way they'd amplify already existing problems. She knows that the problem is real and she's seen first-hand how people have treated me (and how the Assemblies went out of their way to try to drag me back)- but sometimes I do think she doesn't have a clue about how bad it really was. The fact is, I'm still Christian- I just have a big problem between the abusive Pentecostal teachings (which I fear are right but my "head" says they aren't) and between the things I've learned since then. I'm having to unlearn many years of stuff- and it's not easy. And since I've found the walkaway community- I've been finding more and more things that were done to my head. For instance- last night, I realized something- I'm scared of people- of EVERYONE. It's part of the reason why I go out of my way to be nice to others. I'm afraid that they'll harm me or punish me. I not only feel powerless, but know that I am at the mercy of everyone around me (it's part of being poor). So I have a whole new thing to deal with- at least I'm now aware of it. I can tie that to the emphasis on punishment I encountered in the Assemblies- which amplified problems I've had since childhood. |
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Posts: 1239 (06/30/09 15:25:54) exPc Fan |
or from the way they'd amplify already existing problems. I think this is an important comment. All churches have problems. However, pente problems are those same problems taken to their extreme and abusive limits, and that is the difference in our experiences compared to what I'd call a typical church experience. Most people won't understand and assume we're either exaggerating or simply being overly critical or sensitive. My husband and I have been accused of emotionally overreacting because we've utterly rejected all aspects of charismania, as if we've just gotten our feelings hurt and are pouting (considering the quality of person this accusation came from it's probably a compliment).
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Posts: 833 (06/30/09 16:43:21) exPc Fan |
I think I understand some of what you mean, Archie...... only in my case it was trying to please God, not just the pastor or my parents or anyone else out
there. I developed a guilt complex that other people just do. not. understand. .... unless they too have been in that type of situation. And as much as I
wanted to be out of there, I wanted everyone to like me anyway. Add a deadly dose of perfectionism -- which I am not sure how much of that was influenced by
the church thing or just my own personal thing........
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Posts: 83 (06/30/09 17:04:03) |
My other half sometimes mistakes my feelings for being anti-Christian. She's had some abuses, but as far as I know, nothing like what goes on in the
Assemblies- so she still sometimes doesn't seem to understand the knee-jerk reaction I have to such subjects as "Last Days", "Fullfilled
prophesy", and so on, much less the hostility I have to most churches (because nearly all of them within an hour's drive have been steeplejacked). She
occasionally gets mad because she thinks I'm attacking her religion... and sometimes doesn't seem to understand that ALL of the personal issues I have
either stem from being an Assemblies of God member, or from the way they'd amplify already existing problems. She knows that the problem is real and
she's seen first-hand how people have treated me (and how the Assemblies went out of their way to try to drag me back)- but sometimes I do think she
doesn't have a clue about how bad it really was.
The fact is, I'm still Christian- I just have a big problem between the abusive Pentecostal teachings (which I fear are right but my "head" says they aren't) and between the things I've learned since then. I'm having to unlearn many years of stuff- and it's not easy. And since I've found the walkaway community- I've been finding more and more things that were done to my head. For instance- last night, I realized something- I'm scared of people- of EVERYONE. It's part of the reason why I go out of my way to be nice to others. I'm afraid that they'll harm me or punish me. I not only feel powerless, but know that I am at the mercy of everyone around me (it's part of being poor). So I have a whole new thing to deal with- at least I'm now aware of it. I can tie that to the emphasis on punishment I encountered in the Assemblies- which amplified problems I've had since childhood. Oh my god....This crap has really messed folks up, hasn't it???? I'm so sorry.... :::sigh::: Right now, honestly, I wish I had words to describe how I feel. How abandoned that I feel. I listen to so many in my circle who are still into everything that I was into. All ....all....EVERY SINGLE BIT of their energy....their money...their EXSISTANCE....rests in that small feeble community that for whatever reason thinks that somehow...some way GOOODDDDDDDDD is just gonna ZAP EM out of reality.......Ooooops...sorry kids you all are in fuckin DREAMLAND man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's all I'm saying. Why waste your remaining years of fairly good productivity and give it all over to these goofball preachers who have no sense in their heads??????? That's all I'm asking??? No, folks, this crap has it's tentacles WAY WAY deep down inside........and it's pretty damned cancerous in terms of our whole outlook on whatever social life or "free" life that we can have....if that makes any sense. I really don't know the answer to all of that and, I reckon, therein lies the common tie that binds us here.....Maybe Just thinkin... Henny
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Posts: 84 (06/30/09 17:08:22) |
Sorry folks....I was intending to quote Walkaway there in that last post. My reply TO that post begins with "Oh my god"......
I also apologize for the profanity that came thru the censors or whatever that thing is they have that bleeps folks out.... Somehow....I find it easier to communicate with that language when I'm mad.... Again, apologies to everyone..... Henny
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Posts: 394 (07/01/09 01:04:21) |
Henny, this is how you feel right now, and this is how your other half is reacting right now, but the very fact that you can articulate it all so well, is
proof that you are moving on...you don't STAY where you are...time heals, people change and that is how it is. The journey that you follow is important and
of significance...but sure, we only see through a glass darkly right now... but do you know how many people that you help on this board from your posts? You
probably won't ever know - but there are probably alot.I'm one of many.
Ok, I don't know you, but you seem strong, sane and intelligent. With an excellent sense of humour. Four good ingredients for Cake Freedom. |
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Posts: 285 (07/01/09 08:08:43) |
CaroG87, I relate to trying to please God- or trying to find out why you always seem to DISPLEASE God. Guilt because you're never good enough, and anything
you do isn't adequate. It's part of the self-hatred thing I'm fighting tooth and nail.
That's what I feel, although I must say that my head is seriously out of sync with my heart. My heart, sadly, has bought the lies- while my head knows better. (Maybe that's why they're so anti-education.) |
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Posts: 396 (07/01/09 16:51:44) |
I find I just don't care or feel or whatever.. The man I love keeps telling me the most incredible lies and I'm so
exhausted from charismania that I don't even care. He can lie as much as he wants. He thinks the secret services are after him. (yaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn)
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tandc90 |
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Posts: 1242 (07/02/09 05:37:20) exPc Fan |
Henny, I always enjoy your posts!
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Posts: 886 (07/02/09 06:02:09) |
charliedog wrote:Yeah, I know all about the emotional and mental exhaustion...for a good couple of years I don't recall that I felt much of anything about anything, really. Wow. As for the man trouble...are you sure he hasn't just gone crazy? |
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walkawayarchie |
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Posts: 290 (07/02/09 09:34:06) |
He does sound like someone who's gone off their medication.
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