Pente doctrine vs. the Bible

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iam4hymn

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(02/19/09 20:04:35)

Kinda, sorta, but it is a long story. It has a lot to do with "rebellion and submission" and I have been through a living he*l because of those two words. But like I said, it's a long story.

walkawayarchie

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(02/20/09 21:59:49)

OOOFFF. Rebellion-submission. The really nasty part is they (think they) get to define which is which.

You can almost guarantee it's going to be rebellion when it's something *you need*, and submission when it's something *they want*.

I remember that one quite well.

lozza

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(02/21/09 01:10:57)

Musical Mantric

Rebellion-submission. In some circles, these are basically code words designed to trigger a powerful mental response resulting in passive acceptance of whatever the leaders say. The whole rebellion angle used to frighten me, as we were taught that rebellion is the same as the sin of witchcraft and that God curses the rebellious.

blackdog

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(02/21/09 09:29:40)

lozza wrote:
Rebellion-submission. In some circles, these are basically code words designed to trigger a powerful mental response resulting in passive acceptance of whatever the leaders say. The whole rebellion angle used to frighten me, as we were taught that rebellion is the same as the sin of witchcraft and that God curses the rebellious.

My ex tried those lines on me at least once...unfortunately for her I didn't hear the dog-whistles.

stubborn envelope

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(02/21/09 20:05:49)

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Rebellion can be a good thing. Without it, there would be no United States, there would be no civil rights movement, there would be no womens' rights movement, no LGBT rights movement...the list can go on for a long time.

Rebellion as the sin of witchcraft? Pttttt...what kind of rebellion are they talking about? Pentecostals are rebelling, too, in some sense, at least theologically. Who are they to define which type of rebellion is sinful? They had to rebell against the churches they broke off from, which stems back to the Catholic church, from whom the Lutherans rebelled, the Anglicans, and even today some small Liberal Catholic churches have broken off from the RCC, and even if the Pentes aren't in league with these groups, I'm sure they don't think rebelling against RCC doctrine is sinful.

James

"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed."
-- Albert Einstein

Lainie

Church division and rebellion

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(02/21/09 21:05:55)

The 'rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft' was one my dad would use, to force compliance. I hated it because I felt he was misusing the scripture, but of course saying so was rebellious in his eyes, so...

But divisions can be amusing, if only for showing our little human idiocies. One of my favorite jokes:

Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God loves you. Do you believe in God?"

He said, "Yes." I said, "Are you a Christian or a Jew?" He said, "A Christian." I said, "Me, too! Protestant or Catholic?" He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me, too! What franchise?" He said, "Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Baptist or Southern Baptist?" He said, "Northern Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist or Northern Liberal Baptist?"

He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist." I said, "Me, too! Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region, or Northern Conservative Baptist Eastern Region?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region." I said, "Me, too Northern Conservative†Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1879, or Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912?" He said, "Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912." I said, "Die, heretic!" And I pushed him over.

...And I'm pretty sure I know that guy...

bootsiebabe

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(02/22/09 08:35:42)

Bending Light

Whoa... amazing. Yet, I've heard conversations that sounded very similar to that joke.

Which makes me realize just how deep some can get when it's time to really "get along" as humans, just because, and of course why some prefer not getting along.

EEEEESH! BTW, last night I saw/heard Sheldon Solomon speak about "The Anatomy of Human Destructiveness"... amazing. I'm so glad to have found others who wish to foster peaceful coexistance among humans of all belief and practice, or the lack there of.

"We are all enigma in the circle of life, being ever entwined with creative evolutional progress. All precious to behold for each our differences." -- M. Cheri B.

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