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"Science" teacher fired; burned crosses in students' arms
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"Science" teacher fired; burned crosses in students' arms |
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Posts: 259 (06/21/08 06:49:11) exPc Fan |
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Looking4truth |
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Posts: 1335 (06/21/08 08:34:02) exPc Fan |
That kind of people infuriate me! I'd love to beat the crap out that guy!
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"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep-seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan |
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Posts: 522 (06/21/08 09:01:22) exPc Fan |
There's one thing that needs to be considered before saying what we think of this over-zealous "science" teacher and his utterly inexcusable
behavior: why didn't the school board supervisors take action sooner?
"But Lynda Weston, the district's director of teaching and learning, told investigators that she has dealt with complaints about Freshwater for much of her 11-year term at the district, the report said." And he survived so long....why? "A former superintendent, Jeff Maley, said he tried to find another position for Freshwater but couldn't because he was certified only in science, the report said" Nice dodge, but hardly an answer. Sounds like administration decided to let things remain "status quo" because they were either too d@mn lazy to act, or didn't want to make any waves. Well guess what gang; surfs up and you better have your board, because what's coming in is a big one.
There is no theory of evolution, just a list of creatures Chuck Norris allows to live.
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Posts: 1798 (06/21/08 09:39:10) Grace Abounds |
This quote is just crazy: "With the exception of the cross-burning episode. ... I believe John Freshwater is teaching the values of the parents in the
Mount Vernon
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Posts: 524 (06/21/08 10:17:58) exPc Fan |
I think you're missing the point.
This guy shouldn't have been allowed anywhere NEAR a classroom, and yet he was. Who made it possible for this bozo to do what he did, and for so long a time? And you're going to absolve them, and go after him alone? Have you lost your minds? Either beat them all, or none at all. Anything else is a slap to the face of Justice.
There is no theory of evolution, just a list of creatures Chuck Norris allows to live.
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Posts: 1337 (06/21/08 10:36:27) exPc Fan |
Yes, true SK! They ALL need the crap beat out of them!
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"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep-seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan |
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Posts: 853 (06/21/08 10:38:15) exPc Fan |
Teachers should never burn their students. The cross and the bible in his class, along with his teachings of creationism go against separation of church and
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Posts: 1338 (06/21/08 10:50:53) exPc Fan |
Their was a similar case not too long ago...
A student sued his history teacher for preaching in the classroom. I know, that is a bit different...that guy didn't burn his students. But, he was force feeding religion to his students. This was a high school history class! The kid won and supposedly the teacher was made to stop doing that...but, he was not fired and still teaches at that school...so i'm sure it still goes on. My Blog (where I really let loose)
"You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep-seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan |
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Posts: 1799 (06/21/08 11:09:11) Grace Abounds |
My guess is that the school has been trying to get rid of the guy for a long time. With laws the way they are, though, that can be hard to do. The
superintendent even said something to the effect that he had tried to move the guy to another position ... that's usually a school's way of firing
someone when they can't fire the person outright because they know will be sued for discrimination--you move them to another position and hope that they
hate the new position and quit.
Here's the way it would have gone if they had fired him before he burned the cross into the kids' arms ... School board: John, man, you are nuts and we're letting you go. John: This is religious discrimination! I'm going to sue you all--and your mothers for the way they raised you! 'Christian' literalist wackos: Let's go protest outside the school! They are taking away our religious freedom! The next thing you know, they'll round us up and feed us to the lions! Other 'Christian' literalist wackos: YEAH! Get your protest signs out of your garage! Bring out the church bus! Let's go march on Columbus, Ohio! News reporter: Apparently, a school in Columbus, Ohio, hates Christians. God-hating superintendent Jeff Maley, how do you explain your decision to fire John Freshwater for his religious beliefs? Jeff: He was nuts. (Edit cuts off the rest of what Jeff says). News reporter: There you have it, folks. This school in Ohio thinks Christians are nuts. ___________________________ School districts are afraid to take action these days on these matters. But I guess this incident will show them what can happen if they don't ... |
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Posts: 538 (06/21/08 11:18:47) exPc Fan |
That really makes me mad how dare somebody do that.
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Posts: 1339 (06/21/08 11:47:48) exPc Fan |
That's about right Marla...
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Posts: 613 (06/22/08 08:41:08) exPc Fan |
Mount Vernon, Ohio, is the location of "Mount Vernon Nazarene University". I wonder if the science teacher was a graduate.
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Posts: 525 (06/22/08 11:32:37) exPc Fan |
I have to disagree with you about one thing tho' taco
Teaching creationism isn't blurring the line between church and state, it's offering up a competitive idea on the origin of the universe. I'd have the two taught side by side, also including equal billing for the origin stories of several various cultures as well, even ancient ones. Myself, I say let the students make their own individual calls based on their own interpretation of the evidence. Anything else is a subtle form of censorship, and that really bothers the libertarian in me. No one has the right to control ideas, even those we disagree with. The tyranny of the majority is still tyranny. Now if some church was trying to put it's people into positions of power in order to effect their own agenda for political control, like dominionists do, then that's a whole different ballgame. That IS a definitive violation of separation of church and state. However, there is no justifiable excuse for the teacher in question doing what he did in forcing his own personal opinions down the students throats and violating their bodies with his burning device. And in that I don't care what he believed, "christian", "atheist" or some other notion of their own invention, no one has the right to brand people. No one.
There is no theory of evolution, just a list of creatures Chuck Norris allows to live.
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Posts: 1344 (06/22/08 12:09:07) exPc Fan |
Oh, no...not THIS.
The two do not even come CLOSE to comparing! One is backed with evidence and one is a MYTH! It's like offering the story of Santa Claus to that of your parents giving you the gifts! It is not even comparable... They should certainly NOT be taught side by side, because one is education and one belongs in THEOLOGY or maybe PHILOSOPHY class! No, SK...that thinking is precisely why the rest of the world is hysterically laughing at the U.S.' education system right now...we are stupid enough to allow creationism in our classrooms. It should not be put up with...any teacher promoting religion in ANY form should be shown the door. Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Paine, & Abraham Lincoln would NOT have had this! They would have been screaming! My Blog (where I really let loose)
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Posts: 1345 (06/22/08 12:12:15) exPc Fan |
Furthermore, what you are saying is the equalivant of having the FLAT EARTH philosophy taught a long side the proven ROUND EARTH THEORY (and remember
scientific theory does not mean guess...it means fact!)...it's ludicrous!
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Posts: 526 (06/22/08 16:00:08) exPc Fan |
Which is precisely why you don't attempt control or censorship, the foolish ideas will be exposed for what they are and soundly discounted.
I never stated which idea was more valid, that isn't my call to make. People will believe whatever makes the most sense to them. Besides, I was just stating an opinion, my own. I didn't ask anyone to validate it. nor do I care if anyone does. My opinion concerning what gets taught has no bearing on what said idiot did to his students, or on those who enabled him to act out his zeal in a very disturbing way. Personally, I see no threat posed by exposing students to other ideas concerning the origins of the universe, or to ideas of any kind once they're mature enough to reason for themselves. Then again, they did make Socrates drink hemlock because the powers that be said he was corrupting the young. I guess only ideas friendly to the prevailing view are acceptable after all. More's the pity. Anyway, that's my 2 cents.
There is no theory of evolution, just a list of creatures Chuck Norris allows to live.
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Posts: 1346 (06/22/08 16:35:53) exPc Fan |
I understand your standpoint...somewhat...
But, my point is that only validated science should be taught in the classroom. We all here know first hand how indoctrination works! And dogma disguised as "education" is POWERFUL! My Blog (where I really let loose)
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Posts: 1348 (06/22/08 22:34:05) exPc Fan |
My Blog (where I really let loose)
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Posts: 689 (06/23/08 06:26:36) exPc Fan |
I saw this the other day. Unbelievable.
I know I'm dancing on the debate line here, but I can't help it - I'm very passionate about this. The difference between evolution and ID is that there are heaps of evidence to support evolution and ID is just conjecture with nothing but Holy Books behind it. I'm not discounting the idea of intelligent design, but I am stating the fact that it does not rise to the level of science. I'll stop now before I get myself into trouble.
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Posts: 3589 (06/23/08 08:51:21) There are some who call me .... Timmay! |
Isn't anyone going to press charges? This jerk is a criminal. Firing should be the least of his worries.
Tim
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Posts: 528 (06/23/08 09:48:29) exPc Fan |
No worries Creatrix, that's one of the really cool things about this place: we can be ourselves and be passionate about the things we really care about
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As for the teacher being arrested, have no idea if he has or hasn't. At the very least he should have his papers revoked so he can't teach again.
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Like we can just brush that one aside?
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