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lozza wrote: If I were to distill the movement I would say that all Pentecostals and Charismatics necessarily believe and practice what is called (1) Speaking in Tongues, and I think "speaking in tongues" has become less popular among Charismatics and so-called Empowered Evangelicals (Vineyard people). It's not uncommon for someone high up in the movement to admit they don't speak in tongues. The new pionts of focus are: seeker friendly, developing the "prophetic", and in some quarters, dream interpretation.
If I were to distill the movement I would say that all Pentecostals and Charismatics necessarily believe and practice what is called (1) Speaking in Tongues, and
That is an interesting angle, Lozza, and perhaps this will be a part of "teasing" out the definition to be as accurate as possible.
If, as you say, and that, perhaps, as we all know, there are those higher up who do not speak in tongues, then this is another expression of what it means to be a Pentecostal, and one of those peculiar consequences of its ESSENCE, I think.
Let us assume for this instance that they, the leaders, do not speak in tongues. Let us further assume that the congregation practices speaking in tongues. Does this mean that leaders are playing the system in some cynical attitude where they are assuming the people are dumb sheep while they pocket the money? This could be a part of the further descriptions after we work out a working definition, or concept, where one attribute of Pentecostalism, as an outgrowth of some people not wanting to leave, but stuck psychologically in the system, a cynical deception game. Another possibility is that they no longer believe in speaking in tongues, and there is NO deceptive intent. Which do you think might be the case, Lozza?
My intuition tells me that the cynical angle is more probable. Or, perhaps there are BOTH aspects to consider further.
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Lutherius wrote: Good discussion. It seems that the biggest difference is socio-economic. The other difference that occasionally emerges is that the Pentecostals often have tighter rules to follow than the Charismatics. I thought that there were differences in the music where the Pentecostal music was earthier, more rhythmic, and sometimes more in your face than the Charismatic music. But they both fervently believe in speaking in tongues and the "gifts of the Spirit," it seems. If I were to distill the movement I would say that all Pentecostals and Charismatics necessarily believe and practice what is called (1) Speaking in Tongues, and (2) Operation in the Gifts of the Spirit, however they may define it and to whatever degree they may pursue such activities and beliefs. Are there any comments with this distillation on the ESSENCE? The ESSENTIAL differences between Pentecostals and Charismatics appear to be (1) Socio-economic, and (2) the degree to which they pursue the Gifts of the Spirit, and (3) the degree to which the place emphasis on certain rules, spoken or unspoken, and (4) the TYPE of rules imposed. What do you think?
Oct 29 08 1:20 AM
The typical difference between the two movements is (1) Socio-economic, (2) the degree to which they pursue the Gifts of the Spirit, (3) the degree to which they place emphasis on certain rules and customs, and (4) the type of rules or customs enforced.
Oct 29 08 3:38 PM
Lutherius wrote: Let me open this up again. Pentecostalism and Charismaticism believe, in various degrees of adherence in (1) Speaking in tongues, and (2) participation in the Gifts of the Spirit, as they define it. The typical difference between the two movements is (1) Socio-economic, (2) the degree to which they pursue the Gifts of the Spirit, (3) the degree to which they place emphasis on certain rules and customs, and (4) the type of rules or customs enforced.
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The ESSENTIAL differences between Pentecostals and Charismatics appear to be (1) Socio-economic, and (2) the degree to which they pursue the Gifts of the Spirit, and (3) the degree to which the place emphasis on certain rules, spoken or unspoken, and (4) the TYPE of rules imposed. What do you think?
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Question - Do pentecostals also do the whole spiritual warfare stuff? And also do they get worried about demons in stuff like harry potter and yoga?
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