Finex, thanks for the link. I just got a chance to try to post it today and you had already done so. So many facets of the pente culture make this possible: the unquestioned status of church leaders, the isolation of members from the real world and the forced subservience of women are several that come to mind. I can't comprehend a mother so dominated that she wouldn't intervene to prevent her son's death. I don't see much difference here from the Taliban stoning women who bring shame on their families.....