Does it bother you now to have people tell you they're praying for you?

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RogerDodger		#21	[-]
Posts: 211 (06/19/09 14:57:47) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	When family members say to me "we love you". They are really saying,"Despite the fact that you no longer allow us to manipulate you and cause guilt and shame in your life.......We STILL love you. Whenever they say,"We are praying for you",they are saying,"Well,we have tried our best to make you stop changing and evolving into a person that thinks and acts differently from the rest of use." One time I said I saw a neat bumper sticker that said,"Jesus,Please save me from your followers.".....It got quite in the room,real quite.
Taco Fred		#22	[-]
Posts: 1149 (06/19/09 17:21:59) exPc Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I can't stand it. To me it is a condescending approach such as you are going to hell and I am going to save you.
not1perfect		#23	[-]
Posts: 65 (06/19/09 17:23:56) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Taco Fred wrote: I can't stand it. To me it is a condescending approach such as you are going to hell and I am going to save you. I agree with you fully Taco Fred!!!! They sure are a self-righteous condescending bunch!!!!
lozza		#24	[-]
Posts: 3712 (06/20/09 00:20:01) Musical Mantric Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	charliedog wrote: The first time this occurred to me, (having had help from people on this forum in the matter and looked at Lutherius's writings too) I did turn around and say, "Actually, I don't give you my permission to pray for me." The people in question were all, "well, we don't have to have your permission - we are going to pray for you..." I was astounded, "Despite the fact that I have specifically asked you not to pray for me, you are going to ignore that request and do it?" The got all weird and proud and psuedo-holy and said, "Correct..." All I could think of to say was, "Well, I don't think that is very polite actually.." and as they were constructing the idea that God's will was above the idea of being polite I walked away. I felt totally manipulated and yes, I do think that such manipulative goings on are evil. Absolutely. I think there's some good advice here. If the situation arose, I would like to think that I would stand up to these manipulative charismatics and tell them they mustn't pray for me behind my back.
geoffreylaw313		#25	[-]
Posts: 432 (06/20/09 13:21:05) exPc Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Pentecostals say they're going to pray for me all the time on the internet. It normally means they don't like me and I made them really mad. So they figure they'll force god to change me so I'll agree with their dumb idea's. Fortunately, god apparently doesn't mind me being the way I am. God - 1 point Pentecostals - 0 points "Man is condemned to be free; because once thrown into the world, he is responsible for everything he does." - Jean-Paul Sartre Last Edited By: geoffreylaw313 06/20/09 13:24:39. Edited 1 times.
charliedog		#26	[-]
Posts: 328 (06/20/09 13:48:50) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Thanks Lozza and apology to Phaedres for congratulating Boustro for the wordplay when the originator was really him! There are some excellent answers on this thread -really giving me food for thought. Praying for a person behind their back and saying nasty things about them behind their back...it all comes from the same Pente madness.
DentalCarrieS		#27	[-]
Posts: 31 (06/20/09 20:24:15) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I am with the it really offends me now camp. But just because like everyone else here, I know what is behind it when it comes from the pentes. Judgement, pure and simple. My response to this statement is usually, "Thank you. I need all the help I can get" as an unholy string of expletives hang in the cartoon thought bubble over my head. At least since I left the church I don't have to hear the out loud prayers in my ear during the alter services about what everyone else thought my problems with god were. " We pray for Carrie's faith, Lord. Let her believe like a child. Have grace and forgiveness on her Lord." Talk about offensive.
walkawayarchie		#28	[-]
Posts: 235 (06/20/09 20:34:01) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	How about this for a response when someone says they'll pray for you- "May you receive what you ask for me ten or a hundred-fold!" That might frighten them a bit, because you're quoting scripture (in a sense) and if they're going to "pray harm"- they'd then be asking for harm. It might also make them think (although that is unlikely).
maryalaminx		#29	[-]
Posts: 358 (06/20/09 23:29:43) exPc Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I find it very offensive because they're usually saying "I'm praying for you so you can see the error of your ways and come back to the ~truth". (Full disclosure: "have a blessed day" sends me into paroxysms of rage.) If a (nonPente) friend tells me they're praying for me with respect to something we've discussed, I appreciate it tho. ~~~ Orthodoxy is the death of intelligence.
charliedog		#30	[-]
Posts: 339 (06/21/09 03:17:15) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	DentalCarrieS wrote: I am with the it really offends me now camp. But just because like everyone else here, I know what is behind it when it comes from the pentes. Judgement, pure and simple. My response to this statement is usually, "Thank you. I need all the help I can get" as an unholy string of expletives hang in the cartoon thought bubble over my head. At least since I left the church I don't have to hear the out loud prayers in my ear during the alter services about what everyone else thought my problems with god were. " We pray for Carrie's faith, Lord. Let her believe like a child. Have grace and forgiveness on her Lord." Talk about offensive. Hi Dental Carrie - This posting has my "Transactional Analysis Theory to the Rescue" treatment, so here it is. It is a theory of communication from Eric Berne. People who talk to you in "Parent Mode" ...start a communication that silently expects you to reply in "Child to Parent mode.." So when they say, in Parent mode, "We will pray for you..." then it is natural for you to reply in child, "Thank you - I need all the help I can get" - (after all, our first communication experience was Parent to child...child to parent response) Berne says, to STOP the patronising parent mode communication, reply in ADULT mode. Adult mode comes from pure logic. What you describe as an "unholy string of expletives" in your mind, seems to me to be pure Adult mode logic, and a legit response to being spoken to in Parent mode. So, in order to avoid drama, don't actually voice the f-words.. but do reply in Adult logic mode. Logic says that you are a grown adult person who actually doesn't need help from people that you don't trust. So you could say, "I don't trust you to pray in a way that is productive or holy, so I am making a request that you do not pray for me." or you could say, "If I want you to pray for me, I will let you know. Thanks." Logic stops the attempt at power that always lies behind parent mode. Remember - you have the right to put up boundaries to protect yourself. The words, "I will pray for you" can be an attempt to destroy those boundaries and to go where they can have power over you again. Don't let them do that.
walkawayarchie		#31	[-]
Posts: 236 (06/21/09 08:56:55) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I get that "Have a blessed day" on a regular basis (usually when I go into stores like the local Wal-Mart, where I get it often). It also offends me, because I know they're forcing their religion on me. The problem is if I start lodging complaints (especially at the Wal-Mart where I get it the most), it makes walkaways look bad (I can hear it now- the manager asks me why I would refuse a wish for a 'nice' day). I can't expect the management to listen- based upon the sorts of products and promotions they have in our store. The customers- a few might understand- but many of them might just try to lynch someone who gets upset! Dominionist city! It's bad enough there that I try to go to the cashiers I know won't push stuff- like a Muslim woman whom I've seen get treated rough by people. I don't always get that sort of choice, as now they have people in the fast lanes queue up in a single line and then have people go to the "next available cashier".
charliedog		#32	[-]
Posts: 346 (06/21/09 09:14:56) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	walkaway archie...that is so creepy..have a blessed day...eeeeuuuugh.......... Fake...blaugh...
walkawayarchie		#33	[-]
Posts: 238 (06/21/09 09:26:24) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	(SNORT) There are a couple of women that I try to avoid like the plague because that is what they ALWAYS say.
tandc90		#34	[-]
Posts: 1196 (06/21/09 12:23:56) exPc Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	You could always reply "Have a crappy day!" with a huge friendly smile, hehe. They'd be left wondering...."Did he say what I think he did? Noooooo." Replace "crappy" with....ahem....whatever adjective you'd like of course.
CaroG87		#35	[-]
Posts: 821 (06/21/09 13:55:09) exPc Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Depending on the person, I would be SO tempted to say, "Why thank you! We're having a solstice ritual tonight, and I am thankful for your wish for a blessing on that. Peace!" At least, though, it's better than what was on my cousin's answering machine for years: a wish for everyone to have a Jesus-filled day. They're IFB, and that's just P/C without the tongues. I guess saying "Spirit-filled" would have been too close to P/C for her comfort. I'm still a practicing Christian and just hearing her outgoing message made me gag. But I take the high road and don't say anything to her.... family peace and all that. Not that anyone puts much stock in what she has to say anyway.
blackdog		#36	[-]
Posts: 869 (06/21/09 15:21:35) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	walkawayarchie wrote: I get that "Have a blessed day" on a regular basis (usually when I go into stores like the local Wal-Mart, where I get it often). It also offends me, because I know they're forcing their religion on me. I had a standard response back in the day...as I'm somewhat knowledgeable of the Arabic language...say to them "Allah yebarik feek" it means "God bless you" in Arabic... But it's a rare dominionist pente redneck who knows anything about the Arabic language or anything more about the middle east then they see on Fox News. It always worked for me, if nothing else to throw them off. Last Edited By: blackdog 06/21/09 15:26:56. Edited 1 times.
brainy		#37	[-]
Posts: 101 (06/21/09 15:59:22) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	When people say they are praying for me I just smile and nod my head and mumble a polite thank you. I work with a guy who constantly uses the phrase "I'm blessed and highly favored". Needless to say no one takes him seriously because he wears his faith on his sleeve.
not1perfect		#38	[-]
Posts: 71 (06/21/09 17:17:14) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The next time a Pente/Fundie tells me that they are praying for me in their "holier than thou" condescending and smug way - I'm going to nonchalantley say "I will be praying for you also"! Maybe by saying that back to them it will deflect their air of superiority and I won't be walking away feeling less than or put down. Last Edited By: not1perfect 06/21/09 18:52:09. Edited 2 times.
Conservatarian		#39	[-]
Posts: 946 (06/21/09 17:18:22) exPc Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	There's always the Wiccan greeting of "bright blessings".
not1perfect		#40	[-]
Posts: 72 (06/21/09 17:29:31) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I get that have a "blessed day" thing alot also where I live - I would like to say in response to them "I didn't ask for any blessing"!!!!

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