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msc.formercatholics...

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(05/31/09 14:36:05)

I think the charismatic teaching and practice about this as well as the repetitive shaming from them toward me after leaving has had the reverse effect on me. Why do they shame other people? Is that not a bad thought coming out of their mouths?...But of course, this is to control other people in favor of the charismatics..make non-charismatics feel bad and they might convert or revert, but I won't. I will stand for what I believe.

lozza

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Posts: 3653

(06/02/09 04:50:01)

Musical Mantric

Strange stuff. I read a couple of Neil Anderson books on deliverance and the mind.

http://lawrenceez.wordpress.com/

tandc90

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Posts: 1093

(06/02/09 07:30:05)

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msc wrote:
Why do they shame other people? Is that not a bad thought coming out of their mouths?...

I'm reading a really good book by John Bradshaw called Healing the Shame that Binds You. Obviously it's about unhealthy shame, what he calls toxic shame. He goes into many of the reasons why people shame others, one of which is it's mood altering. By "passing on" their own shame it makes them feel better. It's the same dynamic as a kid who gets beaten at home going to school and beating up other kids.

I highly recommend this book. I'm not only learning a lot personally and about others I know, but I'm gaining a ton of insight into the charismatic movement and why it is the way it is. Between the excessive emotionalism (addictive) and the constant shaming of others (also addictive) it's irresistible to a certain type of individual. It's their addictive substance, their drug or their alcohol.

Henny Binn

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Posts: 73

(06/02/09 07:32:52)

I went throught the Bill Gothard teaching.....talk about boring. I went to the seminars when I was hot and heavy into charismania and I remember even THEN thinking Gothard was whacked. I found his teaching to be legalistic to the hilt....his way or the highway, so to speak. I remember asking myself.."Do folks actually DO this stuff?" I still have some of the material from his seminars....and it's almost like some kind of evangelical "catechism" or something....

Henny

Lainie

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Posts: 60

(06/02/09 11:22:19)

Henny, you're right on about Gothard. Legalistic is a very good description of his stuff. There's absolutely to room for the mutable nature of human beings, much less love, reconciliation, forgiveness. And I just can't swallow his top-down heavy-handed misogynistic view of relationships. If my fiance treated me that way, he wouldn't be my fiance!

bootsiebabe

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Posts: 11064

(06/03/09 14:08:33)

Bending Light

Yeah, we were told that a lot.

"We are all enigma in the circle of life, being ever entwined with creative evolutional progress. All precious to behold for each our differences." -- M. Cheri B.

WildCard39

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Posts: 8812

(06/05/09 08:01:44)

~Momma Oracle~

laraine wrote:
Did your church ever make a big deal about being careful what you think or speak? I was always told that I needed to rebuke any bad thoughts and not speak anything negative. You couldn't even say to anyone "I think I may be getting a cold." They would always say "Shhh! Don't say that! You're setting up a stronghold for satan to bring it to pass." This made me so paranoid that one time I actually put a rubberband on my wrist(their suggestion) and everytime I had a bad thought I would pop it and say "I rebuke you Satan!" The funny thing is it just made the thoughts worse. I drove myself crazy doing that!

Yep...Even if you glance at the trash mags on your way out of the checkout.......

~Unfortunately, humans are a plague-like species, governed by greed and delusions of mythology and self-deluding grandeur.~ SA

~ Well behaved women rarely made history ~ Eleanor Roosevelt

"~Faith: not wanting to know what is true." ~ (Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche)

Paul Allen: Is that a rain coat?
Patrick Bateman: Yes it is!!

holly

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Posts: 221

(06/05/09 13:37:38)

Oh yes. Totally. Its hard to separate out exactly what they taught and what was my own over-literalism about what they taught but yeah any negative thoughts i thought were just as bad as actually doing something!

In my experience all that negative attention
a) feeds the thoughts and makes them stronger
b) makes it harder to face up to and deal with real problems or find healthy ways of dealing with emotions like anger
c) makes self-understanding and therefore growth very difficult

Its such a luxury now to be able to just think my thoughts, they're my thoughts in my head and no-one is going to take them away! And so long as they stay in my head I dont have to worry about them. I do then try to work out eg why i'm angry and what constructive action i could take. But first I just think everything to myself.

would be psychologically unbearable to identify and trace every thought

Very much so - like loss of a coherent sense of self for several years so (rage........)

not1perfect

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Posts: 7

(06/05/09 15:50:16)

I'm new to this site and was going to an Independent Pentecostal church since last Sept. I was told I was going to hell for smoking cigarettes and that I was "deluded" and "of the devil". If these people are so full of the "holy" spirit where are the fruits of the spirit which are love, joy, peace, kindness, gentleness, meekness, etc.? A so called friend I made in the church told me one day that "if you think one negative thought that it takes four days of repenting and praying to get it out of your head". I think she is "out of her head".

treelee

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Posts: 152

(06/05/09 16:59:10)

I used to smoke. I once had a guy tell me he was going to pray for me to get violently ill every time I took a puff. Nice. I said "thats pretty mean, why don't you just pray that I lose the desire to smoke"? How awful to know that I have people praying for me to get sick?!?!?!?

lozza

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(06/06/09 00:30:42)

Musical Mantric

so new wrote:
my church let bill gothard tell everyone about evil thoughts and how he memorized the bible to get rid of them. i carried a bible around and made a vow to memorize 5 min. a day and ended up in an adult bookstore every week. then i tried harder until i figured out it was denied loneliness and denied fear of rejection that was giving me the wrong thoughts. and i threw the bible out.

That's exactly what I found. The constant memorizing and confession of scriptures (usually "promises") stops people from experiencing the necessary emotions. It's psychological torture. No one can be expected to deal with every thought they get.

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