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Firearms in a pentecostal church now..... |
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For your reading pleasure and critique...I heard of one Assembly of God using fear factor methods, but now firearms...anything to get people into a P-C church.
I think they are way off base. The Apostles would be rolling in their graves! What does this have to do with Jesus' redemptive work!?!? Jesus says put the
sword down. What about firearms? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090604/ap_on_re_us/us_guns_in_church
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I guess I don't see any cause for alarm. The guns aren't going to be loaded so I don't think they violate Jesus' words. And even if they were
loaded they'd still not violate his words unless someone started shooting at another person for no reason. Intent is the important thing. It's just a
Saturday of like-minded people getting together to support each other and something they feel strongly about. If they were doing this instead of actually
teaching the bible I could see it as an issue.
Jesus told the Apostles to buy swords so I don't think that they'd be doing any grave rolling either. I personally think the Obama/gun paranoia is just that...paranoia....but to each his own. <--responsible owner of a Sig Sauer P226 with the training and willingness to use it if anyone dares to try to hurt me or a loved one. |
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Lutherius |
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I think this is just funny. Louisville is just small town America. Probably not a big deal.
Now if a church in Detroit or New Orleans, or Chicago tried this, then I would be scared! "Yo bruthah Tyrone! You got yo self a fine AK dere. Mine if I pop a cap in yo bruthah Clarence's @ss right heeyah?" I give rednecks a lot of flak on here, but one thing I like about them is their love of guns. Come to think of it, I need to find a gun range to get the rust out of my two 9mm's and my .38 special. Probably a pretty wild stunt with this, but I think Louisville is a place where this should not pose a danger to the public. But, yeah, you probably would not catch a Catholic church doing something like this. It takes a crazy Pentecostal preacher to pull a stunt like this in church.
Lutherius
"I cannot and I will not recant. Here I stand; I can do no other." Martin Luther Ex-Pentecostal Forums Lutherius' Blog (Archived Essays) Pentecostal Watchdog Society (Yahoo Allied Group) derkrash@earthlink.net (My Personal Email) |
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I'm sorry, but I have a SERIOUS issue with bringing a gun to church. Church is not a place to bring a gun, and no matter how thorough they think they will
be with ensuring that the guns are unloaded, there is still risk involved.
I am totally against this. |
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Taco Fred |
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It would take a gun pointed at me to get me to go into a pente church.
In all seriousness, They are using this to celebrate July 4th and the 2nd Ammendment. I am also a responsible gun owner, so I have no problem with this.
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charliedog |
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Guns? In a Church???????
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boustro |
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Tim
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I don't know who I'm laughing at more.....Charliedog or Taco or Lutherius!
I can't stand rednecks either, and this IS typical redneckiness...and pente rednecks....yikes, that's a scary enough combination right there. Honestly, I think this is as much a culture thing (Louisville, the south, rednecks) as it is anything else. It probably isn't alarming to me since I'm from the south and grew up around guns. Not a redneck though, just for the record. |
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WildCard39 |
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No issues with it...I pack all the time...Yes I know how use it, have no problem using it to defend myself or love ones!
Sound more like it was a class on promoting responsible gun ownership and gun safety, and focus on promoting responsible gun ownership and respect of your weapon! Plus are right to be armed! "people kill" not guns"
~Unfortunately, humans are a plague-like species, governed by greed and delusions of mythology and self-deluding grandeur.~ SA ~ Well behaved women rarely made history ~ Eleanor Roosevelt "~Faith: not wanting to know what is true." ~ (Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche) Paul Allen: Is that a rain coat? Patrick Bateman: Yes it is!! |
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charliedog |
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Imported from the UK - more dangerous than a militant lesbian vicar...
THE WOMAN WHO WAITED FOR GOD TO SEND THE PERFECT CHRISTIAN MAN... TURNED 50... IS A VIRGIN... AND IS STILL WAITING.... This weapon of mass destruction is much more scary than any Redneck-Gun-Pente combo. For a start, she is British, highly educated and so you don't think she's a danger. BUT YOU WOULD BE.....WROOOOOOOONG!!!!! |
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boustro |
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So, they were looking for WMDs in the wrong country?
Tim
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While I am afraid that it is just a further attempt to arm the Dominionists (the church IS an AoG church) and to ramp up the violence against non-Dominionists,
at the same time I wish people weren't so anti-gun. When I joined the Democratic party a few years ago, I told the people I knew that the only reason I
waited so long was because I feared all the attempts at gun control.
You see, I've been to ceremony where some of us were armed. The KKK had been making threats from what we was told. In fact, the KKK WANTS gun control- for us. That way we'd be defenseless and they could have their way with us (and believe me, in the southeast, the Klan HATES us and would have us dead if they could. After all, most of us can pass for white- and many have to!) I've seen a few situations in the last 18 years where Native Americans being armed (not just with guns) may have saved lives. We do have enemies. At the same time, owning and having a gun has saved my life at least three times- and I broke up a violent attack (beating) on a woman by her boyfriend/husband one time! There are evil people out there- most of you are walkaways and know how evil those churches can be- well, there are also evil individuals who think they have the RIGHT to rob, beat, and kill others. (The good thing is that all I had to do is show my gun to back off the monsters. In the case with the woman being attacked- the man came after me until he was looking in the business end of my pistol! I AND the woman might be dead now if I hadn't been armed!) I also have a friend who if he didn't own and have a pistol (he worked the graveyard shift at his family's gas station), it is believed that he would have been killed on the spot. As it was, the crooks crawled out the store begging for their lives. (They were later arrested and got long prison sentences for their many violent crimes.) I might add that the US HAD gun control for many years- it was against the law for Native Americans (at least in the Southeast) to own firearms. The reason- it's harder to steal and abuse people when they can defend themselves. If you knew our history, you'd agree that what our ancestors were put through was intolerable (but they were forced to tolerate it). Think about the laws against trading firearms to Native Americans- and remember our history. So, there are good reasons for people like myself to fear gun control. Oh... and we can't trust the police to protect us. Some of them (actually, around here I've heard quite a few) are in the Klan, and they're more likely to abuse people than protect. I've been there!!! (I might remind people that the purpose of the police is to maintain order and to "enforce the laws", not to protect people or to promote justice!) I must add- WE ARE NOT A THREAT TO OTHER PEOPLE OR TO THE POLICE. We only use guns/weapons for self-defense and for hunting (part of our culture)! We aren't the bad guys- so please don't send the troops after us! I know this is a hot topic that people have knee-jerk reactions with (and only tangentially on topic). I've shared this so people will see that some of us have good reason to fear gun control. Please, think about this (and please don't attack and flame me- like I've experienced in the past!) |
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Careful with the political talk there, folks! Not directed just at you, Archie, or anyone else specifically. I'm just sayin'.
Tim
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charliedog |
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Wow - ok Walkaway, the world that you describe to me is horrific. Even the police are KKK? And so the only protection you have
is your own ability to use a gun? I have no idea of that reality, being a Brit - so I am grateful to you for introducing me to the side of America we don't
ever know about over here. Grateful, but also alarmed. I had to read your post a few times...thinking.."Ok..this really isn't like an episode of
Friends is it?"
Boustro - you know the WMD of the "WAITED FOR GOD TO SEND A NICE CHRISTIAN MAN AND NOW I AM FIFTY" or the Waity-Katy's (as they are known, based on Prince William's long-suffering girlfriend) are alive and well and in abundance in your country. I have a friend who is USA and who gave up her live in lover, when she was 30, she was very attractive and intelligent and had everything going for her, and she was told "God will send you a nice Christian man." God didn't. She is 53 now. She is not attractive. She is working in a Christian University and hey - life could be worse - she's a talented academic who travels alot. But she gave up a real man for a fake-promise of a fake-man That is so very evil and she didn't know it. These Pentecostals are evil and they spread evil and pain. She has to live with the fact that she was gullible and brain washed. It's cruel. |
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Very true, cd.
Tim
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treelee |
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Without getting too political here...I can vouch for Archies claims. I grew up on the MO/AR line where the KKK have adopted highways and are very active in
scaring the %*+% out of people that they do not like. I'll just say that I think it is very sad that a society as "advanced" as ours still allows
this group to thrive.
I don't know what to think about the gun in church issue. Honestly, I don't think I care either way. I don't go to church so it doesn't involve me at all. My only concern would be for those churches that are prone to silly disputes and I wonder how long it will be before some hothead opens fire on someone. The problem with that line of thinking is that it could happen regardless of the approval to carry in church. The parking lot is only a couple steps away and anyone can store their gun in their car. I only bring this up because I once had a decon get mad and come very close to hitting me ( another man stopped him) and I think he could have been mad enough to kill me if he had a gun. |
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treelee wrote: I only bring this up because I once had a decon get mad and come very close to hitting me ( another man stopped him) and I think he could have been mad enough to kill me if he had a gun.Treelee, that is horrific!!!!! My thoughts on the gun-thing is that when these people do deliverance and they refuse to let people leave the building....could they refuse by pointing a gun at them. Possibly. It is so very wrong. |
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walkawayarchie |
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A very good nonfiction research book (one of many in my research library) is "Two Nations" by Andrew Hacker. I suggest this one because of
the reality of differential experience based largely upon race (and partially upon wealth/class). I might add that few race researchers have tackled the
reality of Southeastern Native Americans. Most focus on other groups (like Hacker does). I could name several others, but "Two Nations" is a
good start.
I advocate cultural change to solve the problem of violence. It won't be easy and there ARE very powerful people who don't want things to change. When I've talked about this (and my experiences), I've been told "America- love it or leave it!!!" and I (and others who study the things I do) have been condemned for being "unpatriotic" when we talk about the reality that many people experience. I think pointing out the errors and flaws in a nation (and working to change them) is far more patriotic than blind support. I tell people I believe in the PROMISE of America, rather than in it's reality. I think that if these glaring differences in this society were to be reduced or eliminated, the violence would be greatly reduced. Also, if these differences were reduced, I believe that the Pentecostals/Dominionists would loose their power and be marginalized. There is an idea (which I accept) that Fundamentalism (regardless of religion) is the recourse for people who are not elites and realize that the "system" isn't working for them. (That same idea- not tested so not a theory- also states that the elites turn to eclectic spiritualism and so on when they realize the system doesn't work well for them either!) I think America could "work" if people were given a real chance- and not just lip service paid to the ideals. I can only hope! |
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treelee wrote: (SNORT) The priest who threw us out of his church because we are American Indian threatened my father-in-law one time. My father-in-law didn't back down and others had to restrain the priest. Needless to say, later the priest was caught in the act of adultery- and it turned out he had a long LONG history of that (and other harmful things)- he was removed from the priesthood. |
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Lutherius |
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Archie,
Probably the Europeans on this board are used to living close to a lot of people. One thing people might want to understand is that America is very very big. And, America is mostly empty space. So we have millions of acres where there is nobody. So, people who do not live in cities over here can be completely out of police or sheriff protection. There are many counties in America that do not have 24 hour police protection; some police agencies are part time in remote areas. Between El Paso, Texas, and the nearest next town, Fort Stockton is about three hours. And this is not even half way across Texas. So guess what? You are on your own. Rugged individualism to the max. Better have some kind of weapon. Also, we have thousands of miles of border with one of the most violent places on Earth: Mexico. Better have some weapons near the Mexican border. Large portions of the Mid-west and the South are remote and mostly empty. The great plains are almost completely empty. Better have weapons because you are on your own in a lot of places there too. The West coast is densely populated, but you get a few hundred miles outside of Sacramento or Palm Springs California, again you are in empty space with nobody to help you. The other heavily settled areas are the East Cost, the upper Midwest to Chicago, and the Gulf Coast. Get away from those areas, and you are usually remote and on your own, generally speaking. American is so big and lonely, you need to take care of yourself in huge sections of the country. Sometimes this means carrying weapons that other countries have not much need for.
Lutherius
"I cannot and I will not recant. Here I stand; I can do no other." Martin Luther Ex-Pentecostal Forums Lutherius' Blog (Archived Essays) Pentecostal Watchdog Society (Yahoo Allied Group) derkrash@earthlink.net (My Personal Email) |
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msc.formercatholics... |
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Interesting replies. The practice still does not sit well with me. We go to church to worship God, not celebrate firearms. Just another apostate P-C
congregation is all I have to say about it.
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