Just wondering... Do you still believe anything from your Pente days?

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boustro

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(05/03/09 06:20:53)

There are some who call me .... Timmay!

Egg yolks?!?! Oh, man, you gotta be kidding me! ROFL!

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CaroG87

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(05/03/09 08:23:25)

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Next thing you know, the Bible would be rewritten to say, "And Jesus said to the waitress, 'My yolks? Over easy' and my toast? Light."

boustro

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(05/03/09 10:47:57)

There are some who call me .... Timmay!

ROFLOL! That's hilarious, Caro!

Tim

Henny Binn

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(05/03/09 11:39:38)

creatrix

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(05/07/09 11:28:34)

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Yeah... somewhere in the Bible we learn that smoking is okay because someone or other "lit upon a camel."

Yoke. Unbelievable.

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lozza

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(05/09/09 00:49:47)

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marla191792 wrote:

No! I prefer peace and quiet not loud noise and gibberish as a substitute for substance. I actually enjoy hearing a well thought out and calmly delivered sermon. In fact, I can't think of anytime when I was PC in which I actually listened. To this day I cannot remember any tidbits of knowledge given to me by a PC preacher.

I have noticed this also. I went to P/C churches for 17 years. In all that time, I do not recall even ONE sermon--at least, not for being helpful. I remember the pastor who claimed that 'my yoke is easy and my burden is light' was referring to egg yolks, and I remember thinking, "Dude, it's not even SPELLED the same." So I remember a few things like that. But tidbits of wisdom? Not even one.

Marla, amazing! These people are truly ignorant. I guess too much of the anointing does that. Interestingly, my first flatmate told me not to drink cider because cider came from an apple and Eve originally ate the forbidden apple in the garden of Eden. Unbelievable but true.

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(05/10/09 06:23:27)

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Nothing. There's nothing edifying in the Pentecostal movement TO take with me.

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charliedog

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(05/10/09 16:38:34)

I am totally and one hundred per cent confused about all this. I would like deliverance and healing and prayer to be real - but in my experience, prayer for healing is the only thing that is, and I am totally confused about the rest of it.
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(09/10/09 12:31:58)

I haven't been to church much in the past ten years; I'm not really spiritual at all any more. That said, I don't like where I am now. I miss being spiritual. I felt more human when I was spiritual. Not having a spiritual life, I now feel like a dumb animal.

bootsiebabe

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(09/10/09 16:42:00)

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That's great for you but there are others who feel like they are more human and liberated even though they aren't religiously spiritual.

Nothing wrong and missing when a person can become un-indoctrinated and feel that awe and wonder for life and nature itself without having to give credit to anyone else's version of what made it.

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alagirla

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(09/11/09 08:36:14)

Unfortunately, I find myself still believing in that whole "fiery hell for the slightest sin" concept. I wish I didn't, but I can't seem to get rid of the underlying fear. It's like treelee says above, that panicky "what if they are right" feeling.
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basically for me, once I saw John 3:16 - there was no fear of hellfire and brimstone. No matter what ANYONE said to me. It flew in the face of saying "not by works" to THEN tell someone they were in danger of hellfire due to, basically, works.

AND fundamentally, I don't get the whole concept of joining Christianity to avoid hell. I mean, think about if you were God. Would you want people to believe in you just because they were afraid of you? Or would you rather be loved? I always saw the aversion to hellfire as being kind of a selfish motivation for believing in God. And the older I got, the more the entire theme of the New Testament seemed to be about love and kindness towards others.

walkawayarchie

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(09/11/09 10:40:45)

It took me decades to eventually silence that "underlying fear" so it wasn't a constant companion. That is the clearest evidence of deliberate brainwashing. But then, I didn't know about being a walkaway (or that it was common) until about six years ago or so.

In my studies (and especially, in my wife's studies), the theme of Love and Kindness is showing itself to be "louder and louder"- once you get past the noise of "thou shalt/thou shalt not". Some of the "outside" stuff (archaeology, history, etc.) seems to strongly reinforce that theme. It's like God is saying "this is what I'm REALLY like" and people just keep getting it wrong (in the Old Testament, and especially in parts of the New Testament)!

Odo Ital

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(09/11/09 11:58:28)

believing in that whole "fiery hell for the slightest sin" concept. I wish I didn't, but I can't seem to get rid of the underlying fear.

I know what you mean. I hope that constant exposure to the outside world/ this forum will help that to go away over time (like archie said) b/c it tends to kick you when you're down.

Up until about a year ago I basically believed in everything Pentecostalism had taught me, but I had hated it for several years before that; I decided that I couldn't live with the finger-pointing and hypocrisy anymore so I was just going to go to hell. Lately, I have gained a bit of hope that I might not burn for all eternity after all.

btw, bootsiebabe what you said about awe in nature really struck a chord with me- I think that's wonderful

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Tarlek

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(09/11/09 16:12:18)

I can't believe any of it anymore, and have really had to cut things off to avoid having to pretend to believe in nonsense.

lozza

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(09/13/09 01:22:11)

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I have to avoid Pentecostalism completely otherwise I get old nightmares about being unable to move/talk. Still believe in God.

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CaroG87

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(09/13/09 05:31:52)

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alagirla wrote:
Unfortunately, I find myself still believing in that whole "fiery hell for the slightest sin" concept. I wish I didn't, but I can't seem to get rid of the underlying fear. It's like treelee says above, that panicky "what if they are right" feeling.

This probably remained the hardest thing for me to get beyond.

It was hard for me to move from God being a cruel overlord, or (worse, perhaps?) a capricious prankster who delighted in getting his kicks from our failings and didn't mind stirring the pot when he was bored. There are moments, even now, I still have to stop myself when I fall into the old thought patterns. I remind myself that the God they showed me as a child is not the one I've come to know as an adult.

I wish I could say it was an overnight change, but it wasn't. It's been years in the making and I still have my moments.

Lainie

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(09/13/09 21:52:53)

I usually say that I'm an optimistic agnostic- I'd like to think that there's a God, but I don't know. And just what kind of God, I don't know either. The God of the Old Testament is cruel, capricious, and an abusive parent. But if God is like Jesus in the Gospels, I might be able to be ok with that. But the fire and brimstone, not so much.

lozza

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(09/14/09 00:05:34)

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It was hard for me to move from God being a cruel overlord, or (worse, perhaps?) a capricious prankster who delighted in getting his kicks from our failings and didn't mind stirring the pot when he was bored. There are moments, even now, I still have to stop myself when I fall into the old thought patterns. I remind myself that the God they showed me as a child is not the one I've come to know as an adult.

I have a real problem with this...sometimes, I get upset and say things like, "I don't have a father in heaven, I have a monster in heaven."

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