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tandc90	How were you violated as a pente?	Lead	[-]
Posts: 668 (11/09/08 07:49:16) exPc Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Tags : None I thought this might make an interesting discussion....or rant if you want. I'm just going to list the ways I felt violated by pentecostalism and pentes personally. Maybe I'm hypersensitive but that doesn't really matter. I still felt yucky from it. * The hug/shake hands with your neighbor during the meet and greet prior to each service. * Group prayer where everyone is expected to pray out loud and display evidence of the spirit. * The pressure to conform in everything. * Group prayer holding hands. * The woman who'd stare at me making me think she was reading my mind. Mind rapist! * Words of knowledge over me and the fear that someone would have one about the real secret sins. * Laying on of hands. * Deliverance sessions. * Having that demon of lust cast out of me a thousand times, even when I was a kid. It was so embarrassing, and I never knew what the hell it meant. How can you have a lust demon at age ten? * Song leaders staring at me when I wasn't playing my role of entering in. Just glancing at this list I see how much intimidation is involved in pentecostalism. It's sick. They're predators.
Lutherius		#1	[-]
Posts: 3603 (11/09/08 10:21:57) Happy Reprobate Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Yes, it was real hell on those of us who are introverts. Lutherius "I cannot and I will not recant. Here I stand; I can do no other." Martin Luther Ex-Pentecostal Forums Lutherius' Blog (Archived Essays) Pentecostal Watchdog Society (Yahoo Allied Group) derkrash@earthlink.net (My Personal Email)
agnosticostal		#2	[-]
Posts: 119 (11/09/08 18:05:34) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Yes, it was real hell on those of us who are introverts. amen to that, Lutherius...I hated being expected to get out and yell all the time. Last Edited By: agnosticostal 01/28/09 15:56:56. Edited 1 times.
scribe2007		#3	[-]
Posts: 1070 (11/09/08 19:50:06) exPc Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	tandc90 wrote: I see how much intimidation is involved in pentecostalism. It's sick. They're predators. I agree. I particularly didn't like the invasion of space - physical and emotional. The bullying to make you reveal some sort of sin or emotional hang-up, that they could then pounce on, was terrible. For instance, if the preacher introduced a ministry session during his sermon - which happened a lot in the last church I was in - you couldn't escape, as you could if it was at the end of the sermon. You were made to group up with the person(s) next to you (or even specifically "someone you don't know") and reveal personal things for them to pray for. For instance if the sermon was on pride you had to reveal something you were currently proud about, repent of it before the other person, and vice versa. I've also been bullied many a time to reveal information "for prayer". It would go something like this: Prayer leader/Group leader: Now, what can we pray for you? Me: I'm OK for prayer at the moment, thanks. Prayer leader: Surely there's something! You know the Lord can't answer if we refuse to ask! Me (not wanting to reveal personal stuff to some of these people): It's OK, really. Prayer leader (needing something to pray for in public at any cost): We are happy to sit here until you think of something... Me (distinctly uncomfortable at being pressured to provide something): Well, OK then...maybe just my finances. Prayer leader: Great! And what exactly about your finances? Me: Errrr.... Prayer leader: That's what we're here for! Me: Ummm... Prayer leader: We need to know what to pray for. Me (in desperation): Well, just for course fees, etcetera, you know... Prayer leader: Ah! Run out of money? Me: Well, it's just that I've got some upcoming bills... Prayer leader (forging ahead): OK then! Lord, we lift up so-n-so to You now...You see they've run out of money and can't pay what they owe. You know that this is not something that glorifies You. We know that Yours are the cattle on a thousand hills, and that You provide for Your righteous servants as a witness to Your Name. We ask You to provide. Thank You in advance. And all the people said: Amen! -And then on to bully the next person, leaving me feeling ashamed and violated, and wondering if I'm a righteous enough servant!! (Shudder...I hated even typing that!) Cruelty I believe is just one of the dark fruits of pentecostalism. - PepperMintPaty
tandc90		#4	[-]
Posts: 670 (11/09/08 20:00:09) exPc Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Scribe, that is SO typical of their personal invasions. Blech. It gave me the heebie jeebies just to read it.
lozza		#5	[-]
Posts: 3211 (11/10/08 01:14:23) Musical Mantric Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	For me, the two worst were: * Laying on of hands. * Deliverance sessions. I also didn't like Words of knowledge over me and the fear that someone would have one about the real secret sins. Scribe, fascinating prayer exchange, particularly Surely there's something! You know the Lord can't answer if we refuse to ask! and We are happy to sit here until you think of something... Sounds like being back at school. Strangely enough, last night I had a horrible dream of people holding hands in a circle and praying.
holly		#6	[-]
Posts: 63 (11/10/08 12:20:34) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	A lot of the teaching basically amount to you have no rights over your own life or mind. At least if you take them a bit too literally like i did, So: - forgive those who hurt you becomes - unless you forgive them you're as guilty as they are, you cant be forgiven by god until you forgive and so on. Whereas in reality things take time to forgive and if someones been hurt its important to allow them to be angry and to acknowledge it was wrong - turn the other cheek becomes god will be pleased with you for turning the other cheek and putting up with this ie you have no right to defend yourself/keep yourself safe/ be angry - dont get angry ditto - fear of hell ie not allowed to think for yourself, doubt and question in safety, develop your own sense of morals - doubt/questions not considered ok ditto - not allowed to be gay ie not allowed to acknowledge a fundamental part of who i am. I understood it to mean not even allowed to feel attraction towards the same sex. So even finding someone attractive was cause for screaming at myself, trying to exorcise myself and so on - excessive legalism not allowed to develop an adult sense of morality based on understanding why things are wrong, not allowed to enjoy life etc Its like you have no rights over your own thoughts any more let alone your outer life. I left with no concrete sense of self anymore. if you'd asked me back then who i am i couldnt have answered you any more. It does come back in time tho.
CaroG87		#7	[-]
Posts: 653 (11/10/08 19:16:14) exPc Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Laying on of hands. Definitely.
lozza		#8	[-]
Posts: 3215 (11/11/08 01:18:54) Musical Mantric Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	forgive those who hurt you becomes - unless you forgive them you're as guilty as they are, you cant be forgiven by god until you forgive and so on. Whereas in reality things take time to forgive and if someones been hurt its important to allow them to be angry and to acknowledge it was wrong - turn the other cheek becomes god will be pleased with you for turning the other cheek and putting up with this ie you have no right to defend yourself/keep yourself safe/ be angry - dont get angry ditto These all affect me. I think I've reached the stage where I hate God, even though I still consider myself a Christian.
Taco Fred		#9	[-]
Posts: 1045 (11/11/08 04:43:44) exPc Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	tandc90 wrote: * Group prayer where everyone is expected to pray out loud and display evidence of the spirit. * Group prayer holding hands. * The woman who'd stare at me making me think she was reading my mind. Mind rapist! * Song leaders staring at me when I wasn't playing my role of entering in. Just glancing at this list I see how much intimidation is involved in pentecostalism. It's sick. They're predators. I have experienced all of those as well as a few others: The Sunday School teacher directing the lesson at me. My parents being harassed by other adultsw because I was not spiritual enough. I would catch hell from my parents and catch a guilt trip because they were getting singled out and my actions were a reflection on them. Getting harassed to go to the altar by church leaders. Celebrating 25 years of being Pentecost free!
wario2006		#10	[-]
Posts: 249 (11/11/08 06:07:14) exPc Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I was violated in the following ways: Pressure to conform The "Mind Reading" Deliverance Sessions Telling me I was going to Hell if I didn't tow the line *Telling me how everything I was doing was a sin
stubborn envelope		#11	[-]
Posts: 1293 (11/12/08 11:34:41) exPc Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Violations: invasions of personal space with preachers screaming in my face and laying hands on me a woman in my former congregation who would sometimes pray for me or others and make gagging sounds as if she could sense some hidden perverse sin brainwashing preachers pointing me or others out in a crowd ("I see that stoney face staring at me!" "I'm speaking to someone to the left in the middle!") people praying for me to receive deliverance even when I had committed no sin I knew of people asking me "Are you still full of the Holy Ghost?" It goes on and on. James "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed." -- Albert Einstein
lozza		#12	[-]
Posts: 3218 (11/13/08 01:11:02) Musical Mantric Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	stubborn envelope wrote: *a woman in my former congregation who would sometimes pray for me or others and make gagging sounds as if she could sense some hidden perverse sin Amazing!
brainy	violated as a pente	#13	[-]
Posts: 19 (11/13/08 23:39:16) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Being told how I was wasting my time in a secular college when I should be using my public speaking skills to minister to people. My favorite was being called a "prayer warrior" one week then being prophesied over as having a "call to ministry" the next week. Which was it? God could not make up his mind. Also, the inevitable group prayer for the youth pastor in which everyone was expected to cry and pledge themselves to perform some ministry in the future.
lozza		#14	[-]
Posts: 3221 (11/14/08 01:15:24) Musical Mantric Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I remember being told to hold my musical gifts lightly in my palms, to be prepared to give up music if God so asked.
Stargv		#15	[-]
Posts: 704 (01/29/09 11:49:03) exPc Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I think the question should be in what way were you NOT violated as a pente? Seriously! Is this what you wanted to be Alone standing by yourself Is this all you wanted to be OR WAS THAT A CRY FOR HELP!-Five Finger Death Punch Last Edited By: Stargv 01/29/09 11:51:15. Edited 1 times.
Ruby Stratacaster		#16	[-]
Posts: 108 (02/01/09 19:57:34) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Stargv wrote: I think the question should be in what way were you NOT violated as a pente? Seriously! That indeed is the million-dollar question. I think that the sheer number of promises that never came to pass are, in and of themselves, a violation. It's how they rope you in. They promise you wealth and power, and favor with God and man. But a lot of what other people said, including the forced socialization with people I barely knew and liked even less, and the constant coersion to do this or that. Coming out of the Closet and into the Light... Jordi the Mighty -- A blog on coming out and other myriad subjects through my eyes~
stubborn envelope		#17	[-]
Posts: 1400 (02/02/09 10:55:55) exPc Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	They are notorious for inducing such hysteria in someone who may have only been a little emotional at first until that person goes bat sh!t crazy. Not only can it be embarrassing to remember later, but it really seems to scar the mind, to be driven into such an insane state with all these people screaming and driving you into it deeper and deeper. It has happened to me, and I've seen them do it to the most quiet and shy people who would never normally act the way they did. It's frightening. "The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as good as dead: his eyes are closed." -- Albert Einstein
walkawayarchie		#18	[-]
Posts: 37 (02/02/09 12:02:46) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	While I agree with Stargv, I would say that the worst they did to me was deny the realities in my life. The second was denying my very real needs and replacing them with "the Church's needs!"
tandc90		#19	[-]
Posts: 862 (02/02/09 12:24:16) exPc Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	stubborn envelope wrote: a woman in my former congregation who would sometimes pray for me or others and make gagging sounds as if she could sense some hidden perverse sin people praying for me to receive deliverance even when I had committed no sin I knew of James In the real world I think this is known as projection. The joke is on them. Too bad they'll never realize it.
Looking4truth		#20	[-]
Posts: 1945 (02/02/09 19:47:25) exPc Fan Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Yes, I was and still am to an extent...an introvert and it all drove me crazy! Also, I'm claustrophobic and have issues with large crowds...yeah...pente churches were also highly stressful for me! Oh, and I dont like to be touched without expressed permission...lol Pascal wus clever kitteh hu wus laik: "I am not knoin if teh Ceiling Cat is reel." Oh noes! But Pascal was thinkin an thinkin, an he wus laik "If I is beleefin in teh Ceiling Cat, and he is reel, I will be gettin cheezburger. But if I has no beleefin in teh Ceiling Cat, and he is reel, I will be getting pwned. If there no Ceiling Cat, no matter anywai. I think I is beleefin in teh Ceiling Cat."

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