| Author | Comment | ||
|---|---|---|---|
cburch8 |
Your examples of "prophet words" that did not come |
Lead | |
|
When I was 15 years old, I really took serious what this prophet guy said about my life. Too seriously, to the point that I didn't see my efforts in life, at life, as meaningful or good. I still find my thoughts defaulting to some of those expectations the "prophet" created in me. I really took prophecy serious because everyone in my church community took it seriously, and everyone took "prophets" as authorities. No one gave me any further guidance on how to understand or reckon with prophetic words. What a disaster for me, and I'm sure many others....
|
|||
Roman Catholic |
I used to work with a black preacher... | ||
|
...who was like this. We worked together for a local packaging company back around 1994-1995 and he would get holy at work around 2am while we were supposed to be loading the trucks with packages.
He would prophesy things to various people and made me raise my hands one night and ask God to come back into my life. Telling me how my mama had wept since I had left God. (I was 19 at the time and didn't give a rat's ass about church so mom's worrying was a little feasible, because God forbid she ever raise any hell at that age). So I do it and he tells me to go home and ask for forgiveness. I do, but still didn't want to go to church. Basically did it to shut him up. I go back to work the next night and he's doing it again, but not to me since I'd been "SAVED" that day. He kept getting worse and one guy actually had to go puke because this fella was making him nervous that he couldn't work. Preacher man looks at him and says "That's just the devil you're puking up. You going to Hell!" We had several top dogs fly in early that morning from Pennsylvania to check things out and "preacher" is still going on. I then asked him to quit due to the bosses coming in. He boldly declared "You let them pharisees come in here and I'll shout amongst them devils!!!" I just rolled my eyes and turned around, because we all know these bosses were-gasp-rich and that just made them "EVIL" to preacher's eyes. What a joke! I finally left the company and around Christmas of 1995 found preacher again and decided to pay him a visit, don't ask me why, I guess I was in a good mood and needed it spoiled. My folks are with me as we had been Christmas shopping up in Asheville, NC and came back to preachers place in Greenville, SC. He had friends over and they were decked out in fine clothes and jewelry and he had a "driver" for his new Towncar. Yep, he had gotten in the prosperity teachings alright and had a message for my mother. He asked mother if she had any children besides me and we all answered my sister. Preacher then tells mom that "your daughter is gonna tell you something in January that only God can bless and know." All of his lackeys were going "Amen. Preach it" right in his own place. My mother, God love her, definitely didn't heed I John and test the spirits, because she began to weep and go "Oh thank you Jesus" while my dad bowed his head. I am almost gagging thinking "WTF didn't I just drive on home." After my parents little religious twinkle, preacher then tells his driver to pick us up the following night in the Towncar and drive us to Steak and Ale for dinner on the pastor as a token of his friendship and "appreciation". Well, no car ever showed up and haven't seen nor heard from him and that was december 95. Needless to say, my sister didn't drop some "HEAVENLY BOMBSHELL" on us either. I can cringe and laugh about this joke. What a freaking joke he was and probably still is. Some people. |
|||
Looking4truth |
Re: I used to work with a black preacher... | ||
Quote: Sheesh, that's so typical...making some simple physical/psychological thing (him being very anxious and nervous) into something "spiritual". ![]() "[T]ouch a solemn truth in collision with a dogma of a sect, though capable of the clearest proof, and you will soon find you have disturbed a nest, and the hornets will swarm about your legs and hands, and fly into your face and eyes." - John Adams, 1814 "You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep-seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan "The good thing about Atheists is they wont knock on your door and they wont blow you up!" |
|||
Roman Catholic |
Exactly. | ||
|
The guy that got sick, to my knowledge, had never led much of a church life. Well, no better way to run him off than by what "preacher man" did.
This same preacher was always looking for a quick buck to. He invited me some insurance seminar presented by Primerica or Prime America or something similar in name. I will never forget the keynote speaker. "JOB stands for Just Over Broke." to the applause of the room. I just sat there. Nothing more than a glorified Amway meeting. |
|||
Looking4truth |
Re: Exactly. | ||
most of those "propets" are simply looking for $$$$$The one I know and the many I've seen through my life...all for $$$ ![]() "[T]ouch a solemn truth in collision with a dogma of a sect, though capable of the clearest proof, and you will soon find you have disturbed a nest, and the hornets will swarm about your legs and hands, and fly into your face and eyes." - John Adams, 1814 "You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep-seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan "The good thing about Atheists is they wont knock on your door and they wont blow you up!" |
|||
Roman Catholic |
Re: Exactly. | ||
|
No doubt. This same guy would tell me all about "lazy" and "dead" members of his church. You know the ones that don't get up and get jiggy with it. He would call them "pathetic" n-words and he was black!!!
|
|||
creatrix |
Re: Exactly. | ||
|
The mistake that puking guy made was to aim away from preacher's shoes.
_______________________________________________________
We are all agnostic... it's just that some people don't admit it. _______________________________________________________ |
|||
disillusioned |
Re: Your examples of "prophet words" that did not | ||
|
I had so many prophecies over me....that I would be an inventor and makes lots of money, that I would be a missionary amd go before governments with signs and wonders (no kidding) that I was to be in the ministry of prophetic dance (whatever that is) and lots more. I also took these prophecies very seriously. We all thought the prophets were God's mouthpiece.
I think these guys make up their own terms as they go along. There's a video I was watching that made me think of this. Phrases like, "Joshua generation" or "or seer annointing" get started by these guys blabbing anything that pops into their head. You'll see what I mean if you can manage to sit through this video. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y...re=related Warning: May cause feelings of nausea. |
|||
scribe2007 |
Re: Your examples of "prophet words" that did not | ||
Uuuurrch! Could only manage to sit through a minute and a half of that video... |
|||
lozza |
Re: Your examples of "prophet words" that did not | ||
|
Back in the mad days, I lived a few streets away from a house that was being used as a church. It also functioned as a type of "hostel", complete with meals. The first leader used to hit people to get rid of their demons. On one occasion, he told one of the residents to leave the room because the resident didn't feel in the mood to worship. Later, the resident, who'd had a lot of problems in his life, came round the back of the house and started shouting and throwing things around before sitting down and crying. Poor guy.
My then-flatmate suggested that God wanted me to live in the crazy house. I got upset. I remember walking down the street one morning and shaking my fist at the sky. At some point, the leader went away. He died a few years later. The next leader was kinder, but nevertheless obsessed with demons and curses. He would do things like preach and then steal timber and tools from building sites. |
|||
Taco Fred |
Re: Your examples of "prophet words" that did not | ||
|
I could only stomach about a minute of that video. It still blows me away that people go see fools like that guy.
|
|||
maurylamm |
Re: Your examples of "prophet words" that did not | ||
|
I remember some people coming to our church for revival, and having the group disperse through the church. One woman came to me and told me "God has something wonderful for your life." I took it seriously at the time. Of course, I wondered what that "wonderful" thing would be...but a few years later, I was no longer attending any church at all.
I really like Jim Wallis' definition of prophecy: "Prophecy is not future telling, it is articulating moral truth." No one has to be a charismatic charlatan to articulate a moral truth. |
|||
Looking4truth |
Re: Your examples of "prophet words" that did not | ||
Quote: ![]() "[T]ouch a solemn truth in collision with a dogma of a sect, though capable of the clearest proof, and you will soon find you have disturbed a nest, and the hornets will swarm about your legs and hands, and fly into your face and eyes." - John Adams, 1814 "You can't convince a believer of anything; for their belief is not based on evidence, it's based on a deep-seated need to believe." - Carl Sagan "The good thing about Atheists is they wont knock on your door and they wont blow you up!" |
|||
lozza |
Re: Your examples of "prophet words" that did not | ||
Quote: Makes for some disturbing viewing. How can people fall for stuff like this? Even in my charismatic heyday, I was wary of that kind of emotionalism. |
|||
MrBreeze |
Re: Your examples of "prophet words" that did not | ||
|
"How can people fall for stuff like this?"
Some people will always fall for this stuff. No doubt about it. I've always been wary about it too. But when I express doubts, it's not well received. But oh well.... |
|||
mfreeman73 |
Re: Your examples of "prophet words" that did not | ||
|
I think about every prophecy I got was wrong. And we lived and breathed them in my old church. I mean if the "Prophet" said something, it was pretty much the word of God and you best obey it. They had so much power that they could pretty much say anything and get away with it. It was only after a while that I finally asked, "are any of these prophecies going to come true?" Of course, that was not the right thing to say and I was looked down upon as being in rebellion. I finally told God that if He has something to say to me, my ears are open, but that I wouldn't listen to these false prophets anymore.
And that video someone posted above is very similar to my old church. That was the typical Sunday service. |
|||
lozza |
Re: Your examples of "prophet words" that did not | ||
|
I have a friend who talks a lot about anointings and breakthroughs and it's really upsetting to hear. (Same friend I was chatting to on my birthday.)
|
|||
SilentKnight12 |
Re: Your examples of "prophet words" that did not | ||
|
When I spoke to someone I know who attends one of those apostolic style churches, and mentioned to them that any prophet with less than 100% accuracy is by the Bible's definition, a false prophet, they just said that how they live is how we should judge them.
In short, their actions speak louder than their words. Sorry, but when someone says "Thus says the Lord", they had better really be hearing from God, or else they're just another liar spouting crap from their imagination. God's opinion is even harsher: put anyone who speaks false prophecies in His name to death. I wonder how many of these new "prophets" would be walking around if their denominations actually followed what was written in the Bible? Somehow I think the position of prophet would be one most sane people would avoid. |
|||
creatrix |
Re: Your examples of "prophet words" that did not | ||
|
I got about half a sentence into that vid and had to turn it off. Can't stomach that crap.
_______________________________________________________
We are all agnostic... it's just that some people don't admit it. _______________________________________________________ |
|||
SilentKnight12 |
Re: Your examples of "prophet words" that did not | ||
|
Disslussioned, I watched the vid you linked to, then did a Google on James Goll, just out of curiosity.
I found he's one of C. Peter Wagner's bunch, just like Cindy Jacobs. It was prophets like them, with their guesswork, that eventually made me doubt the truthfulness of what I was being taught in the church I forermly attended. The church I used to attend is right into Wagner, and this kind of thing. It saddens me that I must try to tell those who might listen that they are being sold, at the very least, theological snake oil. At worst, they are accepting as truth, poison of the most deadly kind. If anyone wonders why I am so against CPW and Co, watch the video that Dissillusioned posted, and you will understand. |
|||
lozza |
Re: Your examples of "prophet words" that did not | ||
|
I watched about half of the clip again. Strange stuff.
|
|||