Pente doctrine vs. the Bible

Re: Pente doctrine vs. the Bible

feeds@yuku.com (bootsiebabe) — Sun, 22 Feb 2009 08:35:42 GMT

Whoa... amazing. Yet, I've heard conversations that sounded very similar to that joke.

Which makes me realize just how deep some can get when it's time to really "get along" as humans, just because, and of course why some prefer not getting along.

EEEEESH! BTW, last night I saw/heard Sheldon Solomon speak about "The Anatomy of Human Destructiveness"... amazing. I'm so glad to have found others who wish to foster peaceful coexistance among...

Re: Pente doctrine vs. the Bible

feeds@yuku.com (Lainie) — Sat, 21 Feb 2009 21:05:55 GMT

The 'rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft' was one my dad would use, to force compliance. I hated it because I felt he was misusing the scripture, but of course saying so was rebellious in his eyes, so...

But divisions can be amusing, if only for showing our little human idiocies. One of my favorite jokes:

Once I saw this guy on a bridge about to jump. I said, "Don't do it!" He said, "Nobody loves me." I said, "God...

Re: Pente doctrine vs. the Bible

feeds@yuku.com (stubborn envelope) — Sat, 21 Feb 2009 20:05:49 GMT

Rebellion can be a good thing. Without it, there would be no United States, there would be no civil rights movement, there would be no womens' rights movement, no LGBT rights movement...the list can go on for a long time.

Rebellion as the sin of witchcraft? Pttttt...what kind of rebellion are they talking about? Pentecostals are rebelling, too, in some sense, at least theologically. Who are they to define which type of rebellion is sinful? They had to rebell against the churches...

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feeds@yuku.com (blackdog) — Sat, 21 Feb 2009 09:29:40 GMT

lozza wrote:
Rebellion-submission. In some circles, these are basically code words designed to trigger a powerful mental response resulting in passive acceptance of whatever the leaders say. The whole rebellion angle used to frighten me, as we were taught that rebellion is the same as the sin of witchcraft and that God curses the rebellious.

My ex tried those lines on me at least once...unfortunately for her...

Re: Pente doctrine vs. the Bible

feeds@yuku.com (lozza) — Sat, 21 Feb 2009 01:10:57 GMT

Rebellion-submission. In some circles, these are basically code words designed to trigger a powerful mental response resulting in passive acceptance of whatever the leaders say. The whole rebellion angle used to frighten me, as we were taught that rebellion is the same as the sin of witchcraft and that God curses the rebellious.

Re: Pente doctrine vs. the Bible

feeds@yuku.com (walkawayarchie) — Fri, 20 Feb 2009 21:59:49 GMT

OOOFFF. Rebellion-submission. The really nasty part is they (think they) get to define which is which.

You can almost guarantee it's going to be rebellion when it's something *you need*, and submission when it's something *they want*.

I remember that one quite well.

Re: Pente doctrine vs. the Bible

feeds@yuku.com (iam4hymn) — Thu, 19 Feb 2009 20:04:35 GMT

Kinda, sorta, but it is a long story. It has a lot to do with "rebellion and submission" and I have been through a living he*l because of those two words. But like I said, it's a long story.

Re: Pente doctrine vs. the Bible

feeds@yuku.com (stubborn envelope) — Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:22:17 GMT

Grrrrr, I cannot stand that!

Hymn, are you an ex-Pentecostal?

Re: Pente doctrine vs. the Bible

feeds@yuku.com (iam4hymn) — Thu, 19 Feb 2009 15:58:43 GMT

I'd add to that list people who are supposedly praying privately, but in reality they're preaching- and that rather loud.

Grrrrr, I cannot stand that!

Re: Pente doctrine vs. the Bible

feeds@yuku.com (tandc90) — Thu, 19 Feb 2009 07:42:37 GMT

Great explanation, ADH2000. It never fails to amaze me how sensible right division is, how it answers the questions I have. I wish I could find a local church like this. I'd probably actually go.

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feeds@yuku.com (walkawayarchie) — Thu, 19 Feb 2009 07:41:40 GMT

I'd add to that list people who are supposedly praying privately, but in reality they're preaching- and that rather loud.

Re: Pente doctrine vs. the Bible

feeds@yuku.com (blackdog) — Thu, 19 Feb 2009 06:26:18 GMT

stubborn envelope wrote:

So are we not supposed to pray aloud in church at all? In Bible study groups or even the pastor? Just curious.
You can find scriptures to support both positions, which is often the case.

It's one thing when a group prays together and doesn't make a big deal out of it...like saying grace at the dinner table or in church at the end of the service. It's...

Re: Pente doctrine vs. the Bible

feeds@yuku.com (stubborn envelope) — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 18:04:09 GMT

So are we not supposed to pray aloud in church at all? In Bible study groups or even the pastor? Just curious.

You can find scriptures to support both positions, which is often the case.

Re: Pente doctrine vs. the Bible

feeds@yuku.com (blackdog) — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 15:14:44 GMT

No...not really...I mean, it might be your personal interpretation...but it is my personal interpretation also. I suspect there are at least some other people who feel this way. A friend of mine for example prays quite often, even at work sometimes. He does so silently however, the only reason that I'm aware of this is because I know he does the same thing even in his own house, and I figured out what he was doing, I did not ask. Jesus was pretty clear on this issue, and...

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feeds@yuku.com (timpows) — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 13:12:06 GMT

The way I see it, if we are to take Matthew 6:6 by itself at face value, then no one should be praying in a group. All prayer should be done in private. However, when I read the verses around Matthew 6:6 it makes sense to me that the author is trying to discourage public prayer as a show of one's piety.

⁵"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. I tell you the...

Re: Pente doctrine vs. the Bible

feeds@yuku.com (bootsiebabe) — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:58:34 GMT

What happens to those who "claim to be Jews" and are not?

Re: Pente doctrine vs. the Bible

feeds@yuku.com (ADH2000) — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 07:52:08 GMT

More.....

They also take most, if not all their doctrine from the Book of Acts, which is a transitional book because it not only moves from signs, wonders, tongues, etc that were given to the Jews and the early church as confirmation that it was from God, but also moves from the Circumcision Gospel to the Uncircumcision Gospel.

So if anyone, no matter who they are - Pentecostal or whoever - bases their doctrine on the Book of Acts, they will turn out to be complete...

Re: Pente doctrine vs. the Bible

feeds@yuku.com (ADH2000) — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 06:59:52 GMT

Also wanted to state (but there's no edit button) that the Lord's Prayer isn't applicable for Christians today - ya know where it says, "Thy Kingdom come......." well, we as Christians can't pray for God's Jewish Millennium Kingdom as it has nothing to do with us...... we are to pray instead for one another and for our current earthly needs.....

Re: Pente doctrine vs. the Bible

feeds@yuku.com (ADH2000) — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 06:45:33 GMT

First off, most of their doctrine comes from the Old Testament and synoptic gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke & John), including the Book of Hebrews, James and Revelation - which are basically books meant for the "little flock", i.e., the Jewish remnant or believers, and not the Church, the Body of Christ or the "One New Man" as mentioned in the Apostle Paul's epistles. One must remember that Paul was the Apostle to the Gentiles or the Apostle to the Uncircumcision...

Re: Pente doctrine vs. the Bible

feeds@yuku.com (bootsiebabe) — Wed, 18 Feb 2009 05:52:03 GMT

Some Pentes add all sorts of laws that they see fit.

Which laws are the most important as said by Jesus himself?
how about the two which add no more laws of dress codes, hair codes, etc...

Matthew 22: 35- 40

Pente doctrine vs. the Bible

feeds@yuku.com (iam4hymn) — Sat, 14 Feb 2009 09:32:34 GMT

Can you all give me some specifics to what you all felt were/are direct contradictions to what the Pentecostal church teaches versus what scripture says? My latest example is listed under a thread titled "Ushering in the Spirit". That is just one example where I find where the pente doctrine or theology differs from scripture.

I would like to hear other examples of where pente theology just cannot be backed by scripture. Thanks.